And those people should limit their risk and carry an epi-pen. It is extremely rare that you would get enough stings to get a toxic dose from bees or hornets. However the majority of "bee sting" deaths are in fact yellow jackets. And it's not an allergy but a heart attack that takes the victim. It's a risk, and it's small. A nest in the woods is fine. But in some cases, it's worth removing the nest and reducing your risk and liability.
True there is a risk and bees are often blamed for stings when they are usually not to blame. Yellow jackets, native to Europe, I believe, can be quite a nuisance in many ways. They also build very large nests. The ideas expressed of sparing the wasps is fine; however, I disagree when it comes to yellow jackets. Ok, as the originator of this thread, I get to choose the winning argument.
While a great case was made on both sides, my own experience will dictate my ruling. After just a few weeks with the hornets we began to notice a lot more aggressive incidents. The family dog was stung without provocation underneath the host tree. Five family members reported being stung or "hit" they would fly directly into you at full speed, clearly outside of established flight paths, but turn around and return to the nest without stinging and without further attack -- truly felt like a warning behavior by hornets in an area of about feet of the nest.
My additional observation was that the hornets appeared to be very sensitive to clothing color. White t-shirts seemed to draw a heightened response and my red ball cap drew the most response. Based on what I experienced, I would strongly advise against wearing red in the vicinity of hornets. Whether it was the deterministic effect of redneck genes or a common sense approach to a hazardous situation, I eventually felt compelled to destroy them.
The link below will demonstrate the method that was ultimately effective, here's the list of things that did not work:. Hornet Spray - Note the warning on the label. Never spray this or any other substance on a hornet nest or else they will come out and attack you.
Hooking the tree with a hatchet tied to a string in a satisfying but completely ineffectual attempt to shake the nest loose. Hooking the tree by drawing a rope line across the tree from two remoint points opposite the tree in hopes of shaking or scraping the hornets off of the tree. Calling a professional exterminator and asking them not to use any chemicals that could be potentially harmful to our dogs. We had 2 hornet nests, one in my raspberries that made it about impossible to pick any, and the other hanging from a tree.
We ended up getting rid of the first nest. The idea was to take a large pot of boiling water out at night and cut the raspberry cane so the nest would drop into the water. We were wearing lots of protection and put a light on a chair so we could see.
The nest proved harder to detach than we thought but was partly submerged in the water when it became apparent some were escaping. I told my husband to run and backed away. Then I saw that they were going for the light and I was apparently invisible. We could have finished them off together but I finally just knocked the nest down and left as my husband didn't come back.
The nest was subsequently abandoned. I do feel bad about it though as I have seen a marked decrease in codling moth damage in my apples and I attribute that to all the wasp species in my yard. I don't believe in removing any of them unless they are a direct hazard.
But I hate the type of yellow jacket that hangs around at picnics trying to land on my pop or meat. That is not the kind of yellow jacket we have, with the narrow waist and paper nest. I leave them alone since they are good predators. I missed this thread the first time around. For what it's worth, I almost always leave the nests alone.
We've had some on low hanging branches that made it impossible to mow around, but there is always next year to mow. They are more interesting to watch than just about anything on television, so for us the small inconvience of avoiding a small area is worth it. Thankfully the ones we've had have been almost tame. And the small wasps that build a naked comb are allowed to build right over the front door.
We've never been stung. The reason for this post is the contention from ccrb1 that "it's not an allergy but a heart attack that takes the victim". I would like to know of the data behind that statement. In case somebody reads this and uses it for a reference, I would like to know how this statement squares with the facts.
Everything I have read says that anaphylactic shock is the main killer with insect stings. This refers to multiple organ failures from an allergic reaction. The most common allergic reaction is the swelling of the air passages. If this happens, other symptoms become secondary.
The primary effect on the heart is angioedema, the swelling of the blood vessels going to the heart. This effect is generally secondary in nature, and the rapid heart beat is a symptom of this, usually non-fatal effect of envenomation. If somebody has data to suggest that heart attacks whatever they are are the most common fatal effect of stings, I would like to know so that I can learn more.
I did want to add that 3X as many people die from food allergies each year. No liability exists from any manufacturers assuming their product is labeled correctly. Liability from a wasp's nest is almost nil unless you have specifically invited somebody over, know they are allergic, and stirred up the hornets.
Common law basis of law in 49 states holds that someone who 'drops by', no matter if friend, solicitor, or family, assumes responsibility for any dangers that exist.
This does not mean any obviously defective things, attractive nuisances, and such things, but a hornet's nest is not "caused" by the resident. If you invite your mom over and she slips on the ice, you pay if she sues. If she decides to stop in without an invite on her way to the store and slips on the ice, too bad for her. And the old adage applies, anybody can sue anyone for anything anytime, collecting is another story.
I have a hornets nest in a root system. I was removing some pesty volunteer trees and bushes when we came across the nest in the roots. I want the roots out of there so I can plant some other stuff I haven't seen anything about how to get them out of the roots I put out sugar water for the hummingbirds and as of last year it attracted "many" honey bees plus wasps.
A bee keeper I spoke to said it was ok and wouldn't harm the honey bees so I did the same this year again and now I have the bald-faced hornets too. I need pollinators for the vegetable garden but I have noticed that the bald-faced hornets seem to get 'drunk' or something on sugar water and start attacking each other. Like a brawl in a tavern. So far they haven't stung me and I've found that I can keep them away from an area by putting a feeder where I prefer them to stay most of the time.
It helps and so far this year I have lots of cucumbers and didn't have to hand pollinate them myself. Also it helps to do the sugar water feeders early in the morning before the hornets warm up and become active. You can sort of 'train' them to stay near their feeder and away from you.
Thus making this method not only ineffective but extremely dangerous as well. Water is thought to be effective in flooding a nest and getting rid of the wasps, however, this could potentially cause more damage to your property.
Depending on the location of the nest, you risk attaining water damage on parts of your home by using this flooding technique. Flooding the nest will also not kill the entire colony, again making it dangerous for you. The remainder of the living wasps will become highly agitated and violent, turning you into the victim of an aggressive attack from multiple stings by multiple wasps.
By hitting and poking at the nest, you begin to annoy and agitate the colony of wasps living inside, turning them into full defense mode. This will cause them to come out of the nest and attack you with multiple stings.
However, bald-faced hornets are common wasp species that bear their name. But, these two pests differ in their nesting habits. Bald-Faced Hornet Nests Bald-faced hornets build their nest at least 3 feet above the ground, in trees or large bushes. They may even hang their nests from building roofs or eaves.
The hive of the bald-faced hornet is 2 feet long and is egg-shaped. The hornet nests can be typically found on overhangs and soffits. European Hornet Hives The nests of the Europeanhornets are usually found in tree cavities or wall voids.
These species typically take up residence in sheds or attics and, unlike the bald-faced hornet, build the entrance to their nests at least 6 feet above the ground. The European variety conceals their irregular nests within a dark, hollow space; only a small part of it may be visible.
Mud daubers wasp nest This species of wasps are solitary in nature — they do not live in colonies, and they are not social. Paper wasp nest Paper wasps feed on nectar and other insects, such as flies and caterpillars. How to Get Rid of Wasp Nests?
Call a pest control expert Getting a professional to remove a wasp nest is the best way to get rid of them. Destroy the nest as early as possible The best time to destroy a wasps' nest is as early in the year as possible. Consider leaving the nest alone If the wasps' nest is far away from your home and doesn't pose any risk to you and your family, consider leaving it alone, especially if the species are less aggressive like the paper wasps.
Use DIY methods to get rid of wasp nest If you want to get rid of the nest yourself, it is highly recommended that you: Wear protective gear that covers your face, arms, hands, and feet. Have a well thought out plan and an exit strategy Destroy the nest at night when they are least active, hence less aggressive. Use a pesticide spray that is designed to kill wasps. Use insecticidal dust for ground nests. Use dish soap and water. Pour it in a hose-end spray bottle for aerial nests.
For ground nests, just pour the dish soap water directly into the entrance. Knockdown vacant nests during the winter Wasps do not return to a previously used nest, but some species can build a new nest on top of an old one. Hang fake nests Wasps are extremely territorial.
Seal entry points Thoroughly inspect the outside of your house over the winter. How not to remove a wasp nest? Don't burn a wasp nest Using fire to remove a wasp nest is not only ineffective but also dangerous. Don't stand on a ladder to reach the wasp nest If the nest is somewhere high up, don't use a ladder to reach.
Don't try to knock down a large nest You may succeed, but you will make the wasps violet, and they will start attacking you. Don't pour flammable liquids into a ground nest It's ineffective, and it also will pollute the groundwater. Don't flood the nest with water Water can damage your property, especially if the nest is your attic. Don't destroy a wasp nest with a bat Trying to destroy the wasp nest with a bat or racket will put you at risk of getting stung, not just once, but multiple times.
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